We are back from a two month hiatus. We give you a bit of an update on where we have been and the expansion of the podcast!
In this week's episode, we wondered "can fear actually become your greatest ally?" We look to the nostalgic 1994 film "The Pagemaster" to answer this question as well as discuss its central themes when it comes to overcoming fear with faith.
Listen in as we dissect the film’s way of illustrating how fear can be both an obstacle and a powerful catalyst for personal growth. We also share the redemptive analogies you love, drawing on biblical scriptures like 2 Timothy 1:7 and Joshua 1:9 to explore the themes in this movie.
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Speaker 1: a place where animation meets faith.
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You're listening to the annalooia podcast and you're
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locked into another episode of the annalio podcast and we are
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so glad to be back with you after what seems like forever,
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but it's only been a couple months.
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We took a break just to focus on each other house projects,
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just doing a lot.
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We've been very active and, as you can see, we have a new look,
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a new intro, kind of new theme.
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Give me all those cozy vibes, but still delivering those
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redemptive analogies.
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You've come to know and love and I'm going to go ahead and
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brand my lovely wife Rebecca, because she is lovely, she is
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wonderful and I mean I wouldn't be where I am today without her,
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partially.
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Speaker 2: Well, thank you for the magnanimous introduction.
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Speaker 1: So go ahead and kind of give us, other than a review,
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what we've been up to, why we've been away.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, primarily we've been doing a lot of house
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projects, like you said, and the biggest one is our bedroom.
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When we moved into this house which was like four years ago or
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something we like never did anything.
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We just stuck furniture in the room and said we'll get to it
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later.
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Well, it's later.
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So we finally wanted to do something with it, so we decided
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we're going to paint it green and we did that.
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It's really pretty.
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It's more of like a dark sort of cozy vibe.
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And then we are putting in a fireplace.
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We bought an electrical fireplace.
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It just looks like fire.
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It really doesn't do anything.
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There's like heat that blows out of it, but it is not
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substantial.
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It's more for the look of everything.
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So, yeah, and then we're going to put some cabinets on either
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side of the fireplace and do bookcases, and we're going to
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build it all ourselves, or at least what we can.
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So yeah, lots of fun projects.
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We had to take a break because we ran out of project money for
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this month, so yeah, yeah, and I was not aware, like, just how
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much the paint was going to be for the room yes, astronomical,
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but yeah, so we then doing a lot , we then just going, going,
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going.
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Speaker 1: They actually just got that from uh vacation up in
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lj georgia.
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My dad owns a cabin up there and it was really nice just to
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get away for like a whole week basically I worked a little bit.
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Becca was basically working all the time with school, not, you
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know, my office work.
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Speaker 2: I was doing a group counseling intensive class.
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So yeah, learned a lot, had a lot of fun.
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Speaker 1: But we had a lot of fun on the evenings.
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We went out a few times to dinner and we hiked on Saturday
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through the trail to bring Molly with us, our dog, so she
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enjoyed it Just a great time.
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Our new website is now up, so the blog has been resurrected,
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I'll say, and so there are a few posts you can go ahead and read
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that are already available.
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We wanted to re-engineer the website so it was a one-stop
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shop to where you could access all our content, so that you
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didn't have to go to YouTube or to all these different places to
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access the content.
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It's all right there for you.
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And speaking of content, it's not only just the podcast.
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We're expanding our conversations to include
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different fandoms, gaming, general geekery stuff.
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The main podcast, primarily, will stay as it is.
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It's always been that way about delivering redemptive analogies
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through animated movies and TV shows, and today is no exception
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.
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We've gone back to a classic.
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At least I grew up with it.
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Um, back in the day around 94 is when it was released.
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And becca did you?
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Did you grow up with this, or was it repeatedly watched?
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Speaker 2: um, it wasn't one of those that was like repeatedly
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watched in our house, but we did watch it, um, and it was really
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good.
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Speaker 1: We really we enjoyed it, um the like, because it was
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all about books and stories and, um, we love those in our house
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yeah, it was one that I watched pretty much regularly like not
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all the time, but you know, on rainy days and such and stuff
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like that and what I liked about it is around during this time.
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I think it was very popular to do animation meets kind of like
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live action, even though it wasn't all live action, it was
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mostly animation, uh, that they did stuff like that with like
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space jam, but I would classify what we're going to talk about
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today as 90 animation uh, which I think is fair yeah, I would
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agree.
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Speaker 2: I mean, for there's like set up in the beginning of
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the movie but then the bulk of the movie, the all the
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adventures happen in um in animation.
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So I think it's pretty fair to do it, unlike when we attempted
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very long time ago to do space jam.
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Speaker 1: That did not work out well no, we got more downloads
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than I thought we would have Really, but you know, it was all
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right.
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It was all right and this movie is only.
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It's not even like what I would consider full length, it's only
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about an hour and 15 minutes total.
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Speaker 2: Which they totally could have made that movie
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longer, absolutely.
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I really wanted them to spend more time in each of the
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different lands.
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The genres of books.
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I thought that that would have really enriched the story.
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I don't know if they just ran out of time or money, probably
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budget two, which is unfortunate because I mean they've got
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really there's several big names at the time that we're in it oh
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, absolutely, christopher lloyd and macaulay colkin, we had the
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voice talents of frank welker with the goldberg and, uh,
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patrick stewart actually, but we're not going to belabor the
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moment.
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Speaker 1: We told you a little bit about the movie, who's in it
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, but not the title.
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Yet we're going to be talking about the page master again.
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As we discussed, this is one of my all-time favorite films,
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partly because animation, partly because christopher lloyd um
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and I wasn't much of a book reader.
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I feel that this movie was kind of garnered towards getting
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people to read.
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I'm like, okay, we need a child actor who is really going to
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enforce this and kind of like bring it home that books are fun
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.
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And there's all these.
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They're the top three genres fantasy, adventure, horror.
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Rebecca, would you think that that would be the main message,
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like what they were trying to achieve?
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Speaker 2: I think so.
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Yeah, particularly for when, the time frame when this movie
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came out, it seemed like there was a really big initiative in
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public television in particular to get kids to read more and
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find reading interesting.
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We watched not that long ago the documentary about reading
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Rainbow.
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Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, absolutely.
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Speaker 2: And I think that was definitely a part of that time
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frame.
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That was a good documentary.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and the late 80s and early 90s, I think, is
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really when it light flourished.
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Well, let's get to our main topic, and this is all revolving
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around courage, and that's the main theme for this movie,
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because this revolves around the main character, richard tyler,
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who is played by nicole colkin, and you can see that he's like
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just afraid of like everything over the top yeah, like his dad
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is building a tree house in the beginning and he's like, hey,
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richie, you know why don't you come up?
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he's like, do you know that, statistically, that 8% of major
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accidents happen in the home?
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And he's like, no, that's just coming off here, it's safe.
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Speaker 2: Proceeds to fall off the ladder.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, I mean again.
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Speaker 2: It was Rich's fault, though, yeah, rich's.
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Speaker 1: He wasn't paying attention when pulling up the
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bucket for those nails.
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But then his dad asked him hey, because you have the hardware
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store.
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He's, like you mean, all the way across town, I don't know.
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And he goes along the way and apparently the school kids like
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taunt him because he's too scared to go over this ramp.
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Speaker 2: Minimally taunting.
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Speaker 1: And then gets trapped in a rainstorm.
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Speaker 2: Not just a rainstorm, it was a thunderstorm.
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It was crazy.
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It was like a tornado was whipping around out there.
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Speaker 1: Well, and he's even afraid to go into the library at
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that point, but he does, and that's where we meet the
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wonderful Christopher Lloyd Again.
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Many of you might know him from Back to the Future.
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Other than the Pagemaster in Back to the Future, that's the
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only thing I'd seen Christopher Lloyd in.
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Speaker 2: That's not true.
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That Christmas movie where he was the train person.
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, the Hallmark movie.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Well, I don't count that as a real movie.
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Speaker 2: You take that back.
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Hallmark movies are real movies .
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Speaker 1: Not in a professional sense.
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Speaker 2: No, I disagree.
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Speaker 1: Well, to each their own.
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So that brings us to our first key takeaway, and that is why
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are we fearful and how do we draw courage?
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Rebecca, what is a time in your life that you've been so
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overstricken with fear?
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happens fairly regularly.
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Still, um the dark.
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I don't love the dark, as in like being alone in the dark.
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Uh, sometimes that happens to me as well, like just especially
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in this office, like before the lights are turned on it's like
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pitch black.
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I mean, I know that's because of the you know blackout
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curtains, but still yeah, for me strikes at different moments.
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Speaker 2: Like most of the time it's fine, but all of a sudden
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I can just be like like I'm really thirsty and I have to
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wake up in the middle of the night and I'm like if I don't
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get a drink of water, I'm going to die.
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You know, I like go downstairs, get the water.
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Everything can be fine up until a certain moment when all of a
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sudden it feels like something or someone is watching me and
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I'm like this is not okay and I usually like sprint upstairs or
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back to the bed and like get under the covers.
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I'll like scooch real close to you and I'm like okay, I'm safe,
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I'm safe, I'm safe.
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This is home base.
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But yeah, so that still happens .
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Speaker 1: I get pretty afraid, uh, of that yeah, I would say
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sometimes the dark of sometimes just hitting your own headspace,
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hitting lost and all the what-ifs um which I think is
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pretty common for a lot of people, yeah yeah, a lot of fear
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happens.
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Speaker 2: Well, all fear happens in your head, but, um, a
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lot of people, yeah, yeah, a lot of fear.
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Well, all fear happens in your head, but a lot of times it's
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protecting us.
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But I also don't like the ocean .
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I like looking at it and I go wade my feet in it, but I do not
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want to swim in the ocean.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: I do not want to be under the water looking at
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little fish and coral.
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No, just no.
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Speaker 1: But fear also also, I think, invokes uh, reluctance,
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um, to do things like I don't want to go on the roller coaster
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because I'm, you know, scared for those of us, uh, in the
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christian space.
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You know, god clearly told us to do something, and we don't do
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it because we're fearful.
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What will people think?
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Or what if I can't do this?
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And and that's exactly what Richie is going through is he's
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so fearful he's reluctant to do anything that's like not inside
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the house, basically.
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Speaker 2: You know, I find it really interesting too that his
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name is Richard and they call him Rich, because I don't know
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if this was intended, but I like to think it was.
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That they called him Rich because in the beginning,
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beginning he doesn't realize how much of a rich resource books
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can be, and stories can be, and by the end of the story he
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realizes how rich he actually is yeah because he has access to
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different stories and he can, you know, help conquer his fear
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through those stories and become a better person.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, that's an interesting notion.
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I mean perhaps, yeah, certainly something to think about.
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But getting further into the story, where our main character
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meets the librarian played by Christopher Lloyd, he runs to
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the back to use a payphone because he's got to call his
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parents.
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They want to know, you know, what's holding him up where he's
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at.
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And then he slips and falls and to what he thinks is like
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reality, it turns out being like one big dream.
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But the graphics in that one scene where the paint is
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dropping and it's like a dragon that's just swathing him up,
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which is a little bit of a foreshadowing to the last scene.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, the graphics were pretty good actually for
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the time.
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Speaker 1: Yeah for a 90s movie, yeah, Mm-hmm.
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Going back to our first key point of fear evokes reluctance.
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There are many, many scriptures that kind of advise against it.
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I know one that comes to mind is is it 2, Timothy Right
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Rebecca?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, 2, timothy, where Paul is talking to Timothy
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, because Timothy must have been a pretty fearful person.
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Yeah, or timid, he calls him timid actually.
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Speaker 1: So they'll read that for us.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it is 2 Timothy 1.7.
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For God has not given us a spirit of fear, but of power and
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of love and of a sound mind.
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Speaker 1: And to kind of go along with that, we also have
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Joshua 1.9.
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That says had I not commanded you, be strong and courageous,
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do not be afraid, do not be discouraged, for the Lord, your
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God, will be with you wherever you go.
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And it would have been some good advice for Rich to take,
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but again, if he hadn't, he wouldn't have gone on the
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adventure which.
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The Pagemaster kind of tells him this in not so many words at
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the end, but we'll get to that a little bit later on.
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But yeah, when we're faced with you know fear and causing
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reluctance, you know we shouldn't, because when we have
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that spirit of fear, that's not the spirit of God, because
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plainly tells us in 2 Timothy that that is not a goddess of
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the.
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You know the enemy who's trying to keep you from doing the will
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of God.
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Speaker 2: Or I will throw this out.
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Yes, absolutely to what you just said.
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The enemy does use that.
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He uses our emotions.
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I would also add that fear is quite simply a human emotion.
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It's built in to who we are to have those kinds of emotions.
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It's a very I don't know raw reaction, I guess, to something
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scary that happens.
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Something scary that happens.
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It's our brains going whoa, something's about to happen, I
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need to act, I need to move, or you get into this like fight or
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flight mode and that's your body trying to protect itself.
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But I think what God is saying here, what Paul was trying to
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say to Timothy of you know, he didn't, god did not give us a
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spirit of fear is that you can overcome your emotions.
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You control your emotions.
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Don't let your emotions control you.
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And Rich, definitely in this story, is letting his emotions
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control him and control his actions, like his life.
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What kind of quality of life is this kid living?
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I mean he's only what?
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10 or 11?
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Life is this kid living?
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I mean he's only what?
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Speaker 1: 10 or 11, and he has a pretty limited life because he
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is so afraid, absolutely, absolutely everything he needed.
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Speaker 2: This he needed, basically the whole movie is
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essentially exposure therapy, which is a real type of therapy
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right um a bit.
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You know, fantastical if you will, but for some people
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bibliotherapy is exposure therapy and it's helpful.
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Speaker 1: Most definitely.
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And going back to that, the quality of the life.
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That is absolutely true.
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It reminds me of a comedian, gabriel Iglesias, and he had
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like like it's not like the joke that he like sets it up and he
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says you know, I want to live.
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You know life, you know like, no matter what may come my way,
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you know what are people going to say about you when you die,
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it's like, oh, you can stay in the house and you are safe.
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Or when I die and this is Gabriel talking or when I die,
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they're going to open me up and it's going to smell like
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burritos and they're going to be like, hey, this guy knew how to
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live.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it reminds me of something similar to Helen
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Boehm.
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Carter was doing an interview years ago, but I saw the clip
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recently and she was talking about food and eating and she
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was like you know, when you get to the end of your life, are you
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going to look back and you go oh, I'm so glad that I was thin.
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That was like the most amazing thing.
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Are you going to be like, no, I'm so glad I had that, that
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cake, and I spent time with friends and I, you know, lived
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life to the fullest.
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Speaker 1: Let's get on to our second key takeaway from this
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movie, and that is Faith, other Fear, which we've kind of
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touched on a little bit.
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And Rich takes his first step when he meets up with Fantasy,
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adventure and Horror, and Adventure is the first one that
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helps him.
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You know, take that leap like literally, like one that helson,
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you know, take that leap like literally, like he opens up you
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know the book and these big tentacles and the octopus come
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out and he's like jump boy.
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It's the only way that's interesting.
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Speaker 2: It almost seems like they're being very literal about
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his fears.
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I guess of like like just said, I didn't even put that together
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that it's quite literally the first step, the first leaping
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into more adventures.
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And that's what happens in life .
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Right, we're forced to move.
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It takes a catalyst.
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Speaker 1: Right.
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Exactly Because you're not going to make a decision, you
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know one way or another.
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You can't just not make a choice.
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I mean a choice will be made for you.
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So you may not be the one you know making that decision, but
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take my advice be in control of your own decisions, because
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it'll work out a whole lot better than just being
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vicariously by other people's decisions.
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Well, you'll just be led towards wherever they want you,
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wherever they want you to be led yeah, and that is a silvery and
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dangerous look to be on, but yeah, and kind of going along
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with this key takeaway, what is it that you overcome fear with,
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like it?
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Is it your own ideologies, your own beliefs?
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I've always wondered this, like for those who don't subscribe
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to a religion, what do they combat fear with, like, how do
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they overcome it?
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Speaker 2: rationalize things away.
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I mean, in a way we do too.
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Christians, who are people with faith of some kind, any kind,
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we all believe in something.
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Everyone, regardless of what faith they choose or choose not
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to choose.
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Humanists believe in themselves .
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Like I can overcome this themselves, like I can overcome
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this, I, in my own strength, can do this.
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Um, you know a lot of people, a lot of atheists will say, you
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know, or people who worship nature.
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Um will rationalize it away, that it's just something that
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happens to you or whatever you know.
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We all have ways of coping and for christians, we lean on our
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faith.
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We can say a prayer, we can sing a song.
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A lot of times I'll do that.
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My song typically is His Eye is on the Sparrow.
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So if I need to sing a song and I'm really afraid that one's
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usually the one that comes out.
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But yeah, everybody has, I think, their own way of coping
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with fear and getting over things.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, praise and worship music would be my main
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thing that I do whenever I'm overcome with fear, and
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sometimes I don't always go towards that.
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I try to go into prayer first, and always on my first
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inclination.
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But I always try to remember not to be like the meme where
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it's the kid falling down the stairs and it's like another
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person at the top.
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That's like God, the kid falling down the stairs.
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I mean like another person at the top.
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It's like God the kid falling down the stairs.
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I mean trying to lean on my own understanding.
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Yeah, For us who believe in Christ, that is our a peace, an
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overwhelming peace that comes over you when you just talk to
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them and say I'm fearful, I'm afraid.
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I know that that's always been my experience that there's just
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such a huge weight lifted off.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, our pastor said something recently.
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He was talking about addictions and stuff and other things.
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Recently he was talking about like addictions and stuff and
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other things.
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But I think what he held is still true that to overcome your
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behaviors it's not about doing more or like doing another Bible
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study or doing whatever.
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It's more about loving God more .
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And the more you love God, the more you will just not want to
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do whatever those things are.
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And I think the same thing is true the more you love God, the
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more you trust him, the more you put your faith and existence in
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him, then the less likely you are to be afraid.
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Because, as Paul said, god did not give us a spirit of fear.
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And I think he's talking about worry.
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If I had to guess, I haven't dug in to see what all the Greek
00:22:33
stuff is behind that and what he's trying to say, but my guess
00:22:36
is he's like don't worry, don't obsess, don't get into the
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place where you are going to be so fearful that you can't move.
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It's the excessive fear that is a real problem, I think, more
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so than just like yeah, you're afraid Because even like the
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Bible even talks about, you know , do not sin in your anger.
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And it's not that anger is a sin.
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It's just that out of that anger, which is a natural human
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emotion, you can then sin.
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So same way, you can let fear overtake you and overtake
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everything, and let it rule your life.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely.
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So a couple things to keep in mind.
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Don't let fear rule your decisions.
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Also, combat fear with the truth.
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And getting more into the movie itself, I think that the trials
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that you know not literally, but you know figuratively are
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parallels to what we face as far as challenges in real life.
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You know we may not be, you know, looking low, the dick in
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the eye, but we had to face a lot of things that you know
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we're not ready for, that we're fearful to do.
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Speaker 2: Well, and even you know, the very first part of the
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library that he comes to is the horror section.
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Speaker 1: Yes.
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Speaker 2: And the main character in this story in the
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horror section is Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde.
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The horror section is Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde and there was a
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really interesting quote that each of the sections, I think,
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had quotes from their respective stories.
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But the overall feeling for Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde is that
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inside every man is good and evil.
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Every man is good and evil.
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Speaker 1: And that's true.
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We're born to this world with a sinful nature, and each of us
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has the ability to do good and to do evil.
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Speaker 2: I kind of think of it this way, that the goodness
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that each human has is almost like an echo of Eden, that we
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have the capacity for good.
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But that's not what saves us, because it is just an echo.
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What saves us is our relationship with Jesus, and the
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Holy Spirit brings that goodness to light and it's no
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longer an echo, it is spark to life.
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Speaker 1: That's a good way to think about it, but I'm thinking
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about that scene and it just all that.
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That was like the one I always fast-forwarded as a kid it's
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scary.
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Speaker 2: It's so scary, yeah, even as an adult, you're like oh
00:25:18
kind of freaky.
00:25:19
Yeah, mr hyde and then the poor.
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Well, he, because he switches so fast from the nice Dr Jekyll.
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And then all of a sudden Mr Hyde comes out and he's got wild
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and crazy hair and crazy eyes and fangs in his teeth and
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you're like, oh no, don't like that.
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But I think it was almost necessary for Rich to be like
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shocked in his system first, and then you can spend the rest of
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the movie going through adventure and fantasy and
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there's different things you know through each of those lands
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that are also scary.
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But it's not just like straight horror.
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Speaker 1: And you're right, he is a little bit shocked into
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making a decision and it's all about escapism really at that
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point.
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So he's still letting fear kind of like run that, and rightly
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so in that circumstance.
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But when he gets to adventure in the story of long john silver
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, that's where he actually shows , you know, a lot of courage,
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because he's captured by pirates and made to be a slave, a cabin
00:26:24
boy basically well, and poor horror too, throughout this
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whole movie um the book.
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Speaker 2: Anyway, he almost died in his horror section
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because rich didn't go back and save him and get him out.
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It was the.
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It was fantasy that had to go back and and get him out.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, basically used for ones that are settling torch
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.
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Speaker 2: And even when they get into the adventure area, he
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has a chance basically to save horror.
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that adventure has to go end up in
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saving him.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, which was cute to see their friendship blossom.
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Yeah, it was nice.
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Speaker 1: Love-hate relationship at the start, but
00:27:03
yeah.
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Speaker 2: Well, and I think that's kind of.
00:27:05
I think that's kind of the point right of horror and
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adventure is that within adventure there are really scary
00:27:13
things that happen in adventure and that's just kind of like
00:27:16
part of it, and so I don't know, it's like those two genres are
00:27:20
friends anyway yeah, rightly so.
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Speaker 1: And in the scene with long john silver kind of going
00:27:27
along those lines back into you know the storyline, long john
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silver's kind of like diminishing um richie's uh,
00:27:34
rich's worth, like he doesn't even think he's worthy of a
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library card to like have knowledge.
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He's like, ah no, kevin boy has any right to be doing anything
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with a library card.
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There's this whole big you know slapstick, you know with
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clubbing out the pirates, and then leads to Long John Silver
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and Rich actually, you know, picks up the sword and actually
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like defends himself.
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So that takes, you know Courage , you know Santa, to like one of
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the you know biggest and baddest pirates in literature.
00:28:05
At least that's the first big step to courage.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, and that's important.
00:28:10
Don't let someone just trample all over your self-worth.
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No one has a right to do that.
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Speaker 1: So that really brings us to our last point and
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actually the last scene in this movie Well, not the last scene,
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but the last big part is where they go to fantasy.
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Speaker 2: Fantasy which they could have done so much more.
00:28:30
It's not just all fairies and gnomes and whatever.
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Speaker 1: Well, put a pause on that for a moment.
00:28:36
The pacing of this whole entire movie is very fast it is.
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They go from horror to adventure to fantasy like that.
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I thought it was even too much time.
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It is the quickest hero's journey story I've ever seen.
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Speaker 2: It's a classic hero's journey, but yes, it is.
00:28:58
Speaker 1: When we rewatched it I was thinking man, are they
00:29:01
even going to have time for like character development?
00:29:04
Speaker 2: Somehow they do.
00:29:05
They do a good job with the time that they have, uh,
00:29:08
allotted but you're right, rebecca.
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Speaker 1: Going back to fantasy , they could have done a whole
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lot more.
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It was kind of just out of the blue to like have a song in
00:29:17
there, because there's always like the thing is oh, it's the
00:29:20
90s, you have a pop song and in animated movies, but that was
00:29:25
really just to push the plot along, to feel like they wanted
00:29:27
To feel like they wanted us to feel, like they gave us more
00:29:30
when they actually didn't.
00:29:31
Speaker 2: Well, it was a bit of a reprieve too, you know, from
00:29:35
horror and adventure and all these crazy things that are
00:29:38
happening.
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You get a nice little song with fairies dancing around and
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college day, and then all they did Was slap a dragon in there.
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There are so many more things with fantasy.
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You could do so many more.
00:29:50
Speaker 1: The dragon was the main thing.
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And that gets us to the third takeaway, which is the
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transformative power of courage.
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And that usually leads to triumph.
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To you know, triumphing and triumphing over courage.
00:30:05
And Rich definitely does this.
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Like you think it's over when he's swallowed by the dragon,
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but when he's in the belly of the dragon I was about to say
00:30:15
belly of the whale, another story he remembers what the page
00:30:18
master told him and he said look to the books, they will
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guide you.
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He could have just said oh well , I'm eaten, I'm fearful, I'll
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just die here.
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But no, he uses that courage that he's found recently to get
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some type of victory, a triumph over this dragon, and he opens
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up Jack and the Beanstalk.
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So a huge, long Beanstalk takes him Adventure, horror and
00:30:43
Fantasy up to the tip-top, to the exit, horror and fantasy up
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to the tip top, to the exit, because that's also rich's goal
00:30:52
is to get to the exit, to get out of this crazy land and
00:30:53
everything.
00:30:54
Rebecca, did you have any notes on the dragon, or?
00:30:56
Speaker 2: yeah, it wasn't about the dragon specifically, but,
00:31:00
um, it was something that fantasy said I think.
00:31:02
I think it was right before they went into fantasy land
00:31:06
world, whatever.
00:31:07
But she said sometimes you have to fight to make your wish come
00:31:13
true.
00:31:14
Speaker 1: Yes, and I think I said something to the effect of
00:31:17
when we were talking about initially that, hey, you have
00:31:20
goals and things, but sometimes you have to, like, really put in
00:31:24
effort, you need to really fight and work hard at it to
00:31:28
reach the end goal.
00:31:30
It's not just gonna happen for you can't just.
00:31:32
I would love it if I could just wish for things and boom, they
00:31:37
happen yeah, genies don't exist yeah, unfortunately,
00:31:40
unfortunately.
00:31:42
Speaker 2: But yeah, it is.
00:31:42
It's important to remember that .
00:31:45
Um, even within fantasy, it's like there's so many people who
00:31:51
say, ah, you're just lost in fantasy, and it's like, well,
00:31:55
even if you look at the genre of fantasy, there's a whole lot of
00:31:59
fighting.
00:32:00
That happens in a fantasy book.
00:32:03
You've got to fight for your dreams.
00:32:04
You've got to fight for what you want to come true and it's
00:32:09
not just gonna boom, drop in your lap, like you said, josh
00:32:13
yeah, be nice to the wood, but unfortunately not.
00:32:16
Speaker 1: As rebecca said, you know, fight for what you believe
00:32:19
in, fight for your dreams.
00:32:20
And I want to talk about the last scene in this movie and
00:32:25
that is where they finally reunite with the page master.
00:32:30
And it's in the books.
00:32:32
He's like they're god, basically like they showed very
00:32:36
much reference.
00:32:36
And rich is like do you have any idea what?
00:32:39
Then, through, you're the one who caused this.
00:32:41
He's like you know, tell me what you've been through.
00:32:43
And he goes and tell them rich kind of feels like an idiot
00:32:48
after where.
00:32:48
He's like and yet you stand before me.
00:32:50
It's like well, well, yeah, he's like think, boy, what kind
00:32:55
of event show would you, would you have had if I just brought
00:32:59
you here?
00:33:00
Speaker 2: so even the page master knew that he needed
00:33:02
something desperately to enrich his life and know if we're
00:33:08
looking at the page master, as if he is God in this situation
00:33:13
and we're living in the story, and he says that about our lives
00:33:19
.
00:33:19
What story?
00:33:19
What would the story of our lives be without adventure and
00:33:24
romance and all of these wonderful aspects of our lives?
00:33:28
There's a point to everything.
00:33:31
There is something that God's trying to tell us.
00:33:35
It's far better to look at life and the things that happen and
00:33:39
say what can I learn from this?
00:33:42
There's something in here that can help me.
00:33:45
God will use whatever it is that Satan has planned for our
00:33:50
lives.
00:33:50
He uses everything for our glory and for his glory and our
00:33:55
good.
00:33:56
Speaker 1: Well, a big amen to that.
00:33:58
Absolutely Well.
00:34:00
We thought that we've been able to give you some insight, from
00:34:03
a spiritual and biblical perspective from the movie the
00:34:07
Page.
00:34:07
Page master would definitely recommend it.
00:34:09
I'm going to leave you with a verse from Deuteronomy.
00:34:13
So, rebecca, if you want to go ahead and read that for us, I'm
00:34:16
guessing it's Deuteronomy 31.6.
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Speaker 2: Yep, deuteronomy 31.6 .
00:34:20
Be strong and courageous.
00:34:22
Do not be afraid or terrified because of them, for the Lord,
00:34:27
your God, goes with you.
00:34:29
He will never leave you nor forsake you.
00:34:33
Speaker 1: So a lot of stuff to think on, and we hope that
00:34:35
you'll take these key points and the verses that we discussed To
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heart and ponder about those over the next week.
00:34:43
Until next time, keep those halos shiny and stay open, my
00:34:49
friends.
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